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		<title>By: Repubblica.it - Blog - Scene Digitali &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Il Dipartimento di giustizia su Google: si comincia dai libri</title>
		<link>http://www.bitsbook.com/2009/04/in-which-we-seek-to-intervene-in-the-google-books-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-1706</link>
		<dc:creator>Repubblica.it - Blog - Scene Digitali &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Il Dipartimento di giustizia su Google: si comincia dai libri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: r.doctor</title>
		<link>http://www.bitsbook.com/2009/04/in-which-we-seek-to-intervene-in-the-google-books-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-1685</link>
		<dc:creator>r.doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While you oppose Google books, I feel there is a stronger case for the crowd-sourcing carried out by Google in its Translation schemes.
Google requests users to propose a better translation and very often we do. However this translation (which is tantamount to providing a service to Google in the shape of a consultancy) is used by Google in all probability to better its translation engine and earn revenues on it through ads.
We have no objection to free crowd sourcing: the full Wiki is a magnificent example of cooperative human behaviour to create a knowledge base for non-profit uses. As an Open Source User I feel very strongly about this and wonder if there is any remedy legal or otherwise for the same. I used to provide a lot of corrective translations till I realised that although it benefits the public at large it also does Google. At least Google should put a disclaimer that the data provided will be used in all proability to better its engine and that such data may eventually be used for generating ads.
I hope this tangential comment will spark off soem response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you oppose Google books, I feel there is a stronger case for the crowd-sourcing carried out by Google in its Translation schemes.<br />
Google requests users to propose a better translation and very often we do. However this translation (which is tantamount to providing a service to Google in the shape of a consultancy) is used by Google in all probability to better its translation engine and earn revenues on it through ads.<br />
We have no objection to free crowd sourcing: the full Wiki is a magnificent example of cooperative human behaviour to create a knowledge base for non-profit uses. As an Open Source User I feel very strongly about this and wonder if there is any remedy legal or otherwise for the same. I used to provide a lot of corrective translations till I realised that although it benefits the public at large it also does Google. At least Google should put a disclaimer that the data provided will be used in all proability to better its engine and that such data may eventually be used for generating ads.<br />
I hope this tangential comment will spark off soem response.</p>
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		<title>By: El proyecto de digitalizaci??n de libros de Google entra en terreno minado &#124; Techlatina.com</title>
		<link>http://www.bitsbook.com/2009/04/in-which-we-seek-to-intervene-in-the-google-books-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-1682</link>
		<dc:creator>El proyecto de digitalizaci??n de libros de Google entra en terreno minado &#124; Techlatina.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] el caso de los profesores y lectores, ?©stos aseguran en su carta remitida al juez el pasado 13 de abril, que el acuerdo otorga a Google el &#8220;monopolio&#8221; del uso l??cito de [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blown to Bits &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rising Interest in Orphan Works</title>
		<link>http://www.bitsbook.com/2009/04/in-which-we-seek-to-intervene-in-the-google-books-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-1665</link>
		<dc:creator>Blown to Bits &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rising Interest in Orphan Works</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 03:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Opposition To Google Books Settlement Gels - Bits Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://www.bitsbook.com/2009/04/in-which-we-seek-to-intervene-in-the-google-books-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-1660</link>
		<dc:creator>Opposition To Google Books Settlement Gels - Bits Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Internet Archive is the second group that has asked the court to intervene. The first, spearheaded by a group of lawyers that includes Charles Nesson, a professor at Harvard Law School, has published its filing here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Internet Archive is the second group that has asked the court to intervene. The first, spearheaded by a group of lawyers that includes Charles Nesson, a professor at Harvard Law School, has published its filing here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: charlie nesson</title>
		<link>http://www.bitsbook.com/2009/04/in-which-we-seek-to-intervene-in-the-google-books-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-1655</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie nesson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my friend and colleague eric saltzman offered the following to me, which lays out a clear logic for intervention:

A.     During the period of copyright, rightsholders are the beneficiaries of rights conferred by the Copyright Act, including the right to receive all compensation from exploitation of the work.  The successor beneficiaries (for the period when the work enters the public domain) are the public.  This is an identical structure to a trust holding assets for the benefit of primary beneficiaries and successor beneficiaries.  In this situation, the passing of rights to our successor beneficiaries is inevitable (not true in all trusts with possible successors).
 

B.     Depending on its terms, a trust may or may not permit depletion or alienation of the trust assets prior to their (potential) passing to successor beneficiaries.  In copyright, the terms of the Copyright Act do not permit alienation of the successor‚Äôs rights; i.e., the works must pass into the public domain. 
 

C.     If the trust assets produced income and the primary beneficiaries were either deceased or could not be located, the trustees or successor beneficiaries (or the state) would apply to the surrogates court for instructions as to what to do with the income -- even if trust‚Äôs terms provided for distribution of all income to the primary beneficiaries.  If there were no trustees, the Surrogate could appoint one. The best argument and most likely result is that the income would be distributed to the successor beneficiaries of the trust assets in such a way as to most closely fulfill the goals of the trust.
 

D.     In the case before the Court, the successor beneficiary class is the public and the goal of the ‚Äútrust‚Äù (i.e., Copyright Act) is to secure for the public the benefits derived from the author&#039;s labors (including some of the ‚Äúaccess to knowledge‚Äù arguments you make).  These benefits normally mean the right to use and exploit the work forever, but this goal can also be furthered (as you say) by use of the unclaimed revenues generated during the first trust (i.e., copyright) period.
 

E.      There is no other entity or group who is a more natural recipient of this ‚Äúresidual‚Äù income, nor whose interest is more aligned with the purposes of the ‚Äútrust‚Äù (i.e., Copyright Act) than the public (the sole beneficiary of the ‚Äúpublic domain‚Äù successor period) and none who is without significant conflict with the interests of the successor beneficiary.  It would not be difficult for the Court to hear and evaluate proposals from a trustee (or someone similarly situated, even if not formally appointed as ‚Äútrustee‚Äù) as to how this income should be spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my friend and colleague eric saltzman offered the following to me, which lays out a clear logic for intervention:</p>
<p>A.     During the period of copyright, rightsholders are the beneficiaries of rights conferred by the Copyright Act, including the right to receive all compensation from exploitation of the work.  The successor beneficiaries (for the period when the work enters the public domain) are the public.  This is an identical structure to a trust holding assets for the benefit of primary beneficiaries and successor beneficiaries.  In this situation, the passing of rights to our successor beneficiaries is inevitable (not true in all trusts with possible successors).</p>
<p>B.     Depending on its terms, a trust may or may not permit depletion or alienation of the trust assets prior to their (potential) passing to successor beneficiaries.  In copyright, the terms of the Copyright Act do not permit alienation of the successor‚Äôs rights; i.e., the works must pass into the public domain. </p>
<p>C.     If the trust assets produced income and the primary beneficiaries were either deceased or could not be located, the trustees or successor beneficiaries (or the state) would apply to the surrogates court for instructions as to what to do with the income &#8212; even if trust‚Äôs terms provided for distribution of all income to the primary beneficiaries.  If there were no trustees, the Surrogate could appoint one. The best argument and most likely result is that the income would be distributed to the successor beneficiaries of the trust assets in such a way as to most closely fulfill the goals of the trust.</p>
<p>D.     In the case before the Court, the successor beneficiary class is the public and the goal of the ‚Äútrust‚Äù (i.e., Copyright Act) is to secure for the public the benefits derived from the author&#8217;s labors (including some of the ‚Äúaccess to knowledge‚Äù arguments you make).  These benefits normally mean the right to use and exploit the work forever, but this goal can also be furthered (as you say) by use of the unclaimed revenues generated during the first trust (i.e., copyright) period.</p>
<p>E.      There is no other entity or group who is a more natural recipient of this ‚Äúresidual‚Äù income, nor whose interest is more aligned with the purposes of the ‚Äútrust‚Äù (i.e., Copyright Act) than the public (the sole beneficiary of the ‚Äúpublic domain‚Äù successor period) and none who is without significant conflict with the interests of the successor beneficiary.  It would not be difficult for the Court to hear and evaluate proposals from a trustee (or someone similarly situated, even if not formally appointed as ‚Äútrustee‚Äù) as to how this income should be spent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome Garchik SF Attorney</title>
		<link>http://www.bitsbook.com/2009/04/in-which-we-seek-to-intervene-in-the-google-books-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-1648</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerome Garchik SF Attorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a SF civil rights attorney. On April l6th I will do a seminar at Golden Gate University on the Google Book Settlement sponsored by California Lawyers for the Arts.  
I think the real issue raised by Mr.Lewis and his associates is a monopoly anti-trust issue that will have to be raised with the US and foreign competition agencies in years to come. 
I am very dubious about the numbers and scope of orphan rights. A better idea of these will be known after the Jan.2010 claims window closes. If these works were published since l923 and registered copyrights, we know the authors name, publishers and the copyright registration forms in Wash.D C shows an address. The publishers can be traced to current media companies. The authors and their families can be traced via the internet missing person searches and/or the Mormon Church genealogy data bases. This is work for the Registry. If I were an independent director of the Registry I would work to track these owners down. 
The intervenors suggest that the Settlement gives Google exclusive rights to e-publish and this is just not true. The settlement only gives Google non-exclusive e-publishing rights to works on the shelves in the scanned libraries(Iowa, California, Michigan,Stanford,etc) that were also registered US Copyrighted books.These terms were  all narrowly defined in the lengthy settlement agreement. 
I am not affiliated with any parties to the case or the settlement. I have represented many authors and their heirs since l972, and I do not agree with the intervenors that the public has a right to free unlimited use of published copyrighted works,orphans or otherwise. I think authors and their families have the right to be compensated  for their work, just like any other worker, and the Google Book Settlement provides a framework towards that end. 
Jerome Garchik, S.F. Attorney
jchikesq@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a SF civil rights attorney. On April l6th I will do a seminar at Golden Gate University on the Google Book Settlement sponsored by California Lawyers for the Arts.<br />
I think the real issue raised by Mr.Lewis and his associates is a monopoly anti-trust issue that will have to be raised with the US and foreign competition agencies in years to come.<br />
I am very dubious about the numbers and scope of orphan rights. A better idea of these will be known after the Jan.2010 claims window closes. If these works were published since l923 and registered copyrights, we know the authors name, publishers and the copyright registration forms in Wash.D C shows an address. The publishers can be traced to current media companies. The authors and their families can be traced via the internet missing person searches and/or the Mormon Church genealogy data bases. This is work for the Registry. If I were an independent director of the Registry I would work to track these owners down.<br />
The intervenors suggest that the Settlement gives Google exclusive rights to e-publish and this is just not true. The settlement only gives Google non-exclusive e-publishing rights to works on the shelves in the scanned libraries(Iowa, California, Michigan,Stanford,etc) that were also registered US Copyrighted books.These terms were  all narrowly defined in the lengthy settlement agreement.<br />
I am not affiliated with any parties to the case or the settlement. I have represented many authors and their heirs since l972, and I do not agree with the intervenors that the public has a right to free unlimited use of published copyrighted works,orphans or otherwise. I think authors and their families have the right to be compensated  for their work, just like any other worker, and the Google Book Settlement provides a framework towards that end.<br />
Jerome Garchik, S.F. Attorney<br />
<a href="mailto:jchikesq@gmail.com">jchikesq@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Google Book Settlement Link Dump Awesomeness at pureinformation.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google Book Settlement Link Dump Awesomeness at pureinformation.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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